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作者: 模棱两可 时间: 2005-7-25 18:46 标题: [转载新闻] Daniel Lipman再一次与QAF说再见了

Daniel Lipman比较完整的一个采访，把该说的，说过的和少许可能说过但是我没有看见过的观点又排列了一遍，挺有趣的。建议大家看看，无论是依旧对他们抱有好感的人还是对他们恨之入骨的人。

Daniel Lipman says goodbye to "QAF"

原载：http://www.planetout.com/content ... ath=/entertainment/

When audiences were first introduced to "Queer as Folk" five years ago, the world seemed a more innocent and tolerant place. Y2K had been much ado about nothing. The date September 11 had no particular significance. And most people were going happily about their lives, reaping the benefits of the dot-com boom. For the gay community, the Clinton years had marked a time of unprecedented gains in tolerance and visibility.

It was in this atmosphere that executive producers Daniel Lipman and Ron Cowen launched their unflinching, unapologetic, insightful and entertaining look at gay life in America, "Queer as Folk."

Five years later, we find the "Queer as Folk" characters living in a much different world, one that Lipman and Cowen could never have imagined when they brought the groundbreaking series to the States. During these five years, the series has generated both critical acclaim and righteous indignation. Fans have lauded its realistic representation of gay life, which has so often been relegated to the status of comic relief or melodrama. Critics, straight and gay, have bemoaned the show's emphasis on sex and drugs.

The series launched its fifth and final season in the middle of a divisive, escalating cultural war in America. Rather than take the easy way out, Lipman and Cowen felt it necessary to put their characters right in the middle of the battlefield.

Lipman spoke to PlanetOut entertainment editor Jenny Stewart about the end of the hit series.

How to go out?

It sounds like a daunting task, having to decide how to end TV's first-ever dramatic series about gays. What was the process like, and can you give us some idea of how you're ending it?

If you asked me last year what the final season would be like, I would have had a very, very different view of it. Back when we filmed season 4, it seemed like the 21st century was going to be a little more civilized and more tolerant than the last century in terms of gay rights. But things really changed after the election. There are laws being passed in several states where not only can gay people not marry but they also cannot adopt, they can't be foster parents. On top of that, right now in Michigan there is a bill waiting to pass where doctors can decline to give health care to gay people. So things have really taken a step backwards, and we have to reflect this.

In terms of the characters and personal relationships, we've always said the show is about boys becoming men. People mature differently. Sometimes we have this vision that you must couple up, have children, and that's how you mature. But I don't think that's necessarily true. I think you can mature and still hold on to whatever your sexual mores or attitudes are. This has always been a big bone of contention in the gay community, so we have a situation going on like that this year, between Michael and Brian, that reflects that.

There are gay people everywhere who want to assimilate into the population. You see these neighborhoods all over the place now where gay people move in and they sort of gentrify them. And a lot of them are family-friendly because they are having children together.

Michael and Ben sort of embody that. But then you have Brian, who sort of embodies the other side of that, which is the gay culture you hold on to: "We are not heterosexuals, we do not play by those rules, we do not have to be married."

Bad timing?

The show is ending at a time that is particularly bad for gays politically. Were you tempted to do one more season just so die-hard fans would at least have something to look forward to?

Funny you should mention that. Peter Paige said to me a couple of months ago, "Considering what's going on in the world, it's a shame we couldn't go one more season." And I said "No, Peter. That's the way you leave."

To me, it's better to hear fans sigh and say, "Ugh, it's going off the [air], I'm going to miss those characters" than have those same fans sigh and say, "Ugh, the show has been on for 11 years." I suppose we could have continued without the actors, because most were on contract for five years and some would have stayed and some would have gone. But to reconceive it and bring on new characters -- I don't know, it just seemed right to end it.

We [were] always resigned the show would be five seasons, and one of the things I'm proud of is that we've kept it edgy and challenging. I don't think there would ever have been a "QAF" before, and I don't think there will ever be another "QAF." I think we had this one window of time.

插话：我想说这个故事结束的时间还算好，我还想说即使是身为同性恋演员也不是个个都认为QAF脱离现实，脱离他们试图展现的理想和世界，我最想说QAF是一个给美国人拍摄的电视剧，它的价值观、审美都是完全美国化的，它展现的是美国的现状，表达的是编剧对美国未来的思虑。

QAF唯美细腻的感情是人类的遗产，政治和思想背景绝对来自美国多年自由主义精神的渗透，QAF直至最后都与美国主流的思想保持了一定距离，比如同性恋婚姻的争议性。我从没有看到任何一部主流思想的电视剧公开支持同性恋婚姻，而对美国社会保障体系或者QAF“无用“情节关心的会员可能清楚结婚与未结婚的美国公民在贷款、纳税、保险等等与社会福利有关的问题上享受的权利是不同的，这也是Michael、Justin、Mel等人死活要争取人们反对14号法案的原因。

我不知道这么有现实意义的情节在别人的心理是什么地位，我个人觉得QAF确实在不断努力使同性恋在上帝的面前拥有与异性恋平等的权利，也许站在大街上贴海报的Justin远远没有某些“患有精神病的牧马人”具有角色挑战性，不过我看到了人们在为捍卫自由平等而努力，这比一切艺术在我的心中的地位都高。

Loving and loathing Brian

Which one character do you feel the most protective of?

I feel the most protective of Brian. I'm very protective of him and his attitude, because I really think that Brian is very much an Ayn Rand-ian character. [It's] very classic, his individualism and her philosophy of individualism, which is basically: You take care of yourself first, and that enables you to take care of other people. Because you're not resentful, you don't sacrifice for other people.

There's a scene in the new season where he announces he's going to buy Babylon, and he says, "I'm queer, and those of you who don't like it, fuck you." That kind of attitude is just astounding. He's probably one of the most original and unusual characters ever to be on television.

I remember the first season people were telling us that we needed to change Brian, that he needed to be domesticated or people would end up hating him. But we didn't. There is a moment in the final season where he is almost domesticated, but he breaks free of that, and his true colors come out. So we definitely played with him a little bit in the final season, but we knew that we wanted to show the layers of him and his humanity.

It seems like straight women, lesbians and even straight men admire Brian a lot more than gay men do. Why do so many gay male viewers hate Brian?

I think because straight women, gay women and straight men don't bring the baggage. I think the reason so many gay men hate Brian is because there's a lot of the "shame factor." A lot of gay men have had this kind of very specific sexual life in their youth, and there's a sort of shame factor that rises within them with Brian.

插话：关于Brian没有什么好说的了，这是一个角色，是个很有个性的角色，也许没有Lipman说得那么夸张，但是确实吸引人。其实1-3季里Brian是缺乏人性的，他理性的可怕，第四五季，尤其是第五季太人性化了，我反而不习惯。不过故事嘛，本来就是随着作者的喜好而变动。至少513的Brian让我满意，他依旧是我的审美偶像。

Gay/straight actors

Robert Gant said that, with all due respect to Hal Sparks, who's straight, he thought it would be great to do sex scenes with another openly gay actor, so there wouldn't be boundaries. Then it occurred to me that all of the sex scenes on the show are between one gay actor and one straight actor. Why is that?

That was just by coincidence. It just turned out that way through casting that some actors would be doing love scenes opposite openly gay or openly straight actors. It's remarkable, actually, that we've got three gay and three straight leads. I think the chemistry is so great between all of them: Bobby and Hal, Gale and Randy and Peter and Scott.

And as far as Robert goes, I have to go along with him. Because he's in the trenches doing this. It's one thing for me to conceive it and write it and have meetings about those scenes. To actually be in them is a completely different thing.

Fan reaction

Fans of the show are so nervous about the finale. Fan sites are loaded with predictions on how it will end. Do you think people will be satisfied? Anything shocking?

I think there are a lot of shocking things along the way. In fact, in the last three episodes there are some pretty shocking things. But everything is still in character, so it's ... realistically shocking. I don't think there are any situations where we like, you know, jump the shark! We've never done anything for the sake of shocking.

I think it's a very satisfying ending. It's not a situation where all ends are tied up, it's not happily ever after, necessarily, but I think it does reflect what's happening in the world regarding the gay community, and I think it is very hopeful.

Look, when you do a series finale of a hit show, you know you're never going to please everybody, so you just have to forget it and do what you [think] is right and hope that people will connect to it.

FANS门的反映确实不一致，不论别人怎么说，我都觉得身为编剧至少对自己的结局要坚持。我深信QAF的结局有着自己的意义，也许那“愚蠢”的意义对大多数人都是垃圾，但是如果编剧一开始就没有他们的坚持，那么也就没有曾经那个让大多数人满意的QAF。

我实在无法因为我个人对第五季的一些不满而抹煞掉我对这些角色的喜爱，也无法抹杀掉我对编剧的尊敬，也许C/L没有按照我的思路编排每一个情节，但是他们始终给了我一个争取自由平等的世界、给了我一个诚实理性的Brian，给了我一段非常愉快的美好时光，这些珍宝足以让我对他们保持忠诚了。

——模棱两可

作者: serenye 时间: 2005-7-25 19:38

真希望还有S6啊哪怕跟FRIENDS一样到S10再结束
觉得有点舍不得
不过也有点理解编剧和LZ的意思
可能每个人对结局的审视点都不一样吧

同意LZ说的我确实也对S5的结局抱有一丝遗憾虽然大团圆结局有点俗气但是却是我最乐于看到的
不过既然编剧这样安排也必定有他的个性在其中也许多看几遍就能品出他的意思来了

作者: ele 时间: 2005-7-25 19:47

LZ也够理性的

作者: truly2005 时间: 2005-7-25 20:02

虽然是理解滴，但是心里还是不舒服。。。。。

作者: qqqq2046 时间: 2005-7-25 20:16

前不久看了滴。。。。。。。。

刚才去Group 他们说把那首511结尾的Sleep给换了。。。。。。

作者: vanii 时间: 2005-7-25 20:33

下面是引用qqqq2046于2005-07-25 20:16发表的:

刚才去Group 他们说把那首511结尾的Sleep给换了。。。。。。

WHAT？这么好听的歌，不要啊！
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看过QAF的人，应该能理解CL要表达的吧。其实这才是我刚看QAF时的震撼。

作者: amafant 时间: 2005-7-25 21:10

LZ说的好

楼上的，你的头像是。。。。？

还有，到底现在有人看到511的HDTV版了吗？

作者: tonizh 时间: 2005-7-25 23:04

thank molengliangke. I'll read it later.

作者: 夕子 时间: 2005-7-26 00:21

谢谢模棱两可

作者: juslover 时间: 2005-7-26 02:12

应该是没有换的
在showtime官方bbs上大家好像还说这首歌来的
没有另外一首歌更适合那个场景了^_^so touching

作者: yangjj 时间: 2005-7-26 11:24

谢ＬＺ．ＬＺ的分析一向理性，让感性的人调适一下自己～～

作者: 毛毛虫 时间: 2005-7-26 14:29

还是结束吧，真不知道再拍下去会是什么样？演员们受不了。我也受不了

作者: xiao66 时间: 2005-7-26 19:33

谢谢可儿...亲爱滴..
我理解的还是对，最初C/L就已经决定让Brian和Michael各挑一摊儿，各代表两种爱情观。
结尾的三集我最喜欢，我认为是极大的照顾了喜欢BJ爱情故事的饭团的情绪。
当然，还有Gale演的好。虽然最后的舞跳的不好，但那应该是剪辑的责任，舞和音乐节奏都没合上拍。其实再不会跳舞的人，也能被剪成一流舞蹈家。

作者: shampoo 时间: 2005-7-27 22:06

下面是引用juslover于2005-07-26 02:12发表的:
应该是没有换的
在showtime官方bbs上大家好像还说这首歌来的
没有另外一首歌更适合那个场景了^_^so touching

确实是换掉了。*摊手*

作者: linda0524 时间: 2005-8-6 00:54

先顶顶,等下再慢慢分析,英文不太好.

作者: 爱上圈外人 时间: 2005-8-7 21:02

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作者: from912 时间: 2005-8-7 21:24

BRIAN这个角色的确经典，不用在乎他是否真实，他就是某种精神的体现，是一种极端的综合体，C/L早就定义过他了，他是”JAMES DEAN 和AYN RAND的LOVE CHILD”，这是对他最简短又最准确的概括。

作者: easytt2001 时间: 2006-2-16 13:47

總之...不會忘記QAF帶給我們的感動

作者: BJ1982 时间: 2006-2-16 15:38

看了之后，我觉得很解脱了
因为了解了编剧的想法，然后我觉得他的想法很有意思
基本上属于被他说服了
也就接受了最后的结局
不过，我仍然觉得这个一个开放式的结局
还是充满希望的
：）

作者: womenbgs 时间: 2006-2-16 16:04

为什么好东西总是不能完美

作者: 羊角乖乖 时间: 2006-2-16 16:29

我从来没有接受过这样的结局，不用说模零两可的话，其实，我同样一直认为象B那样的人是不适合结婚的，但，爱总要在一起要相守，空间的距离确实是对爱最大的伤害。
总觉得BJ最好的结局应该是象S3那样，相守在一起，不需要谈怎样的婚姻，只要我们在一起，那就够了！

以上也许代表很多BJ迷的观点，也许只是我个人的邈论，但，请原谅我的无理，总觉得编剧在最后，是否受到社会或者某些反GAY的群体的压力而将结局写成那样！

不说S5，只说我分析的BJ性格。
以J的性格，以他爱B的那种感情，他可以为了事业暂时离开B，但他不可能说那么坚定的话，（那话的意思在我认为就是分手永不在一起。）
以B的性格，他确实是会放手让J去选择自己的路做自己的事业，但在S5里面的求婚（虽然我认为很甜蜜啊），却与那个理性的B截然不同，我们爱的B即使再怎么爱，也不是那种以婚姻来概括自己的爱的男人！

这样的结局，我只能认为是败笔！

作者: wasun 时间: 2006-2-16 19:43

我觉的如果有冲突性人物加入,应该可以拍下去!!

作者: 夜之微 时间: 2006-4-18 13:39

原帖由 模棱两可 于 2005-7-25 18:46 发表
也许C/L没有按照我的思路编排每一个情节．．．

大人．偶像啊！em27em46

作者: callas 时间: 2006-4-18 13:56

支持

作者: wf482101 时间: 2006-5-2 14:50

谢谢楼主的转载和翻译

作者: qafxp 时间: 2006-5-12 18:28

说实话，心里真的好难过，因为你的文字，让原本惆怅的我，又一次哭了！没有想过，这样一部片子能够让我变的声嘶力竭的狂热，可一切归于平静后，终究——只剩寂寞！看完最后一集，是在2005年5月1 了，凌晨3点的月光让人心里冷冷的！想要为自己逝去的年华作祭。却找不到世界上能够承载我灵魂的花瓣。
为什么
为什么要这样！
顺着最后的情节
我开始决绝！
原来
真的可以因为一部片子
落下眼泪
原来
我们纠缠始终的初由
不是爱
只是习惯！

作者: manman76 时间: 2006-5-14 04:56

奇怪，为什么我看最后一集一点不觉得难过，看J的坚定样子，他们是会继续在一起的啊
没见过分居两地的配偶吗？如果感情深厚，空间算什么，更何况是B这么富有的人

作者: whale1113 时间: 2006-5-14 08:36

QAF byebye
我會永遠記得你的 Q_Q

作者: mycisb 时间: 2006-5-14 10:50

真的結束了也難免有點傷感
這已經是代表作了

作者: minamilin 时间: 2006-5-20 20:56

虽然有些遗憾，但是我还是尊重这个结局！

作者: tyay20 时间: 2006-5-22 18:42

没有看的吗???这样太累了

作者: xswzaqxsw 时间: 2007-11-16 08:57

不论别人怎么说，我都觉得身为编剧至少对自己的结局要坚持
顶这句!!!!!!!

作者: sugar_tc 时间: 2007-12-5 15:01

谢谢楼主转载

作者: amber0725 时间: 2007-12-5 15:46

即使是被创造出的也感谢这个世界有一个Brian

作者: clara1127 时间: 2007-12-5 16:13

:s08

作者: CYRAINY 时间: 2008-2-12 10:21

无论怎样，结束了

作者: oceania 时间: 2008-3-16 18:14

513的结局第一遍看的时候很难过, 觉得他们的未来充满了不确定, 其实仔细想想, 如果真的是happy ending 那么整个的故事就会失去它原有的光彩, Brian也会失去他的特点.
这个结局应该是编剧能给我们最好的结局了，一点点绝望，一点点希望

作者: jiminstates 时间: 2008-3-17 09:11

哪个好心人把关于 BRIAN 那段翻译一下啊？

作者: tsjessica 时间: 2008-3-17 10:20

我的英文啊...

我要捡起来...

作者: jiminstates 时间: 2008-3-17 12:25

Loving and loathing Brian

Which one character do you feel the most protective of?

I feel the most protective of Brian. I'm very protective of him and his attitude, because I really think that Brian is very much an Ayn Rand-ian character. [It's] very classic, his individualism and her philosophy of individualism, which is basically: You take care of yourself first, and that enables you to take care of other people. Because you're not resentful, you don't sacrifice for other people.

There's a scene in the new season where he announces he's going to buy Babylon, and he says, "I'm queer, and those of you who don't like it, fuck you." That kind of attitude is just astounding. He's probably one of the most original and unusual characters ever to be on television.

I remember the first season people were telling us that we needed to change Brian, that he needed to be domesticated or people would end up hating him. But we didn't. There is a moment in the final season where he is almost domesticated, but he breaks free of that, and his true colors come out. So we definitely played with him a little bit in the final season, but we knew that we wanted to show the layers of him and his humanity.

It seems like straight women, lesbians and even straight men admire Brian a lot more than gay men do. Why do so many gay male viewers hate Brian?

I think because straight women, gay women and straight men don't bring the baggage. I think the reason so many gay men hate Brian is because there's a lot of the "shame factor." A lot of gay men have had this kind of very specific sexual life in their youth, and there's a sort of shame factor that rises within them with Brian.

请教高明，这段说个啥？？带点个人理解的告诉我就更好了！

作者: 昨天一早 时间: 2008-3-17 20:33

我寧愿大團圓的結局..
要不我會陷在里面很久很久的..
我真是個多愁善感的G.

作者: arain19841023 时间: 2008-3-25 23:08

希望能有第六季

作者: arain19841023 时间: 2008-3-25 23:09

希望能有第六季

作者: babitina 时间: 2008-3-27 05:59

If you asked me last year what the final season would be like, I would have had a very, very different view of it
---好奇，按照S4的风格，S5的重心和结尾看来都会不同. 不过确实如LZ所说，这是一个反应美国社会的影片.
I don't think there are any situations where we like, you know, jump the shark! We've never done anything for the sake of shocking
---不太认同..所有影片都希望能表达一些未被发觉，有价值的思想. 而这本身就是shock. 只是不认同他否定这个结局的刻意性，这个结局我还可以接受. 毕竟表达了很多.

总的来说，确实这个影片给每个角色赋予了更深层的意义. 但对某些角色来说，太重了.其实影片如果更多的从年龄的角度扶持一下这个结局，会更好点. B毕竟老了，想要稳定.本来可以不考虑的问题终究是要面对. 而J也长大了，心志更宽广.外面的世界确实等待他去征服.
感觉编剧在gay 属于或者异同于people这点上. 仍然没有答案

作者: qdcofly 时间: 2008-3-28 17:34

我真的真的好矛盾
这样的结局让我痛苦难过了好久好久,直到现在还走不出来
但如果真是大团圆的结局, 我们的B和J会是怎样呢?
我又不敢想下去
这个结局真的是
绝望中掺杂着一点点希望
这就是我们继续生活下去所需要的吧

作者: zuoxi 时间: 2011-1-28 01:17

辛苦楼主了！

作者: s孤步舞s 时间: 2011-3-9 08:38

谢谢提供资料
待我慢慢研究~~~

作者: gulinara 时间: 2011-10-8 21:05

谢谢楼主的转载和翻译

作者: nininey 时间: 2011-10-8 23:51

虽然理智上很明白，这样的结局还算是不错了，BJ两个人之间的感情坚不可摧，不能被替代，他们终究会在一起，只是时间的问题罢了，但是每每看到最后，还是要哭的稀里哗啦的。
其实我也觉得，Brian真的很不适合婚姻，结局的他回归到了他的本性也很在情理之中，但是还是真的真的希望能够亲眼看到两个人在一起。真的希望亲眼能够看到Brian幸福，再露出那种发自内心的笑

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